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			<dc:creator>finalfantasyfreak</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:43:46 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: The Ten Dollar to park rip -off</title>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotetitle">Eye Spy wrote:</div><div class="quotecontent">So, some of the business along south locust will be renting parking space for ten dollars a pop. Nice racket. Will the be sending in the 7.5 percent taxes to the city??? Some will just line their pockets with the extra dough, some have said &quot;a portion&quot; of the proceeds will go to a charity. But we know who will be counting the money in the back room, so the the actual &quot;profit&quot; will be scewed anyway. I just say any &quot;business&quot; renting their property for a profit, must forward sales tax reciepts to the city. Fair's fair. (No pun intended.)</div><br />
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			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:41:10 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>The Ten Dollar to park rip -off</title>
			<description><![CDATA[So, some of the business along south locust will be renting parking space for ten dollars a pop. Nice racket. Will the be sending in the 7.5 percent taxes to the city??? Some will just line their pockets with the extra dough, some have said &quot;a portion&quot; of the proceeds will go to a charity. But we know who will be counting the money in the back room, so the the actual &quot;profit&quot; will be scewed anyway. I just say any &quot;business&quot; renting their property for a profit, must forward sales tax reciepts to the city. Fair's fair. (No pun intended.)]]></description>
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			<dc:creator>general</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:23 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[<img src="http://www.independentforums.com/images/smilies/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" title="" /> Good posts.  The county sometimes seems to forget where it's bread gets buttered.  On the flip side I, for once, was fairly impressed at how the city council approached the budget this year.  It appears they did an honest job of listening to the public, applying common sense to where cuts were and weren't necessary, and over all, came up with a decent solution.  Personally, I think there are a few more pet projects and properties that could have been cut to save some jobs, but it's a good start to say the least.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:25:36 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[That guy is an idiot.  This is like the third time he has made a statement like that.  People and businesses inside GI city limits account for about 85% of the County's income.  Department's like 911 and Regional Planning always bitched about because the&quot;county pays 50%).  When you do the math the GI taxpayers actually pay about 93% of those budgets with the rest split between the county and small town tax payers.<br />
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It reminds me of some rural county resident a few years ago complaining at a County Board meeting that Grand Island should pay for the jail because there aren't very many hall county residents in jail, it was mostly grand island residents!  Or the letter to the editor from a few years ago from a lady in Wood River complaining the Hall County Handi-Bus was picking up people in GI and that it should be serving the county not GI!]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:05:22 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: bold">Newest Village Idiot</span><br />
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 <div class="quotetitle"><b>Quote:</b></div><div class="quotecontent">    During the meeting, board members fine-tuned the county's budget by cutting a little from one department or adding a little to another, such as the $7,000 added to the county attorney's office for health insurance and $1,000 cut out of the county assessor's budget for travel expenses.<br />
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One of the areas brought up by the supervisors for budget consideration was Stuhr Museum, with board member Dan Wagoner proposing to cut that budget by $100,000.<br />
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Wagoner defended his proposal by saying the money is needed for other county budget priorities and that the museum could make up the cut in county funding through other funding sources.<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Wagoner countered by saying that Stuhr Museum benefits mostly Grand Island and not Hall County and that the museum should make up the loss of funding by doing such things as staff reductions, cutting operating hours or charging the public more to enter the museum's grounds. </span> </div><br />
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Hmm, last I knew Grand Island is part of Hall County and provides 70+% of the tax base for the county.  Thus any gate proceeds or sales at the mueseum would also benifit the county.  Not defending the spending, but one should think before make such statements.  This was also the county boards argument over the 911 center, that they only use it 25% of the time so why should they pay 50% of opperating cost.  They need to remember that Grand Island is part of Hall County and every person in Grand Island pays HALL COUNTY TAXES. <img src="http://www.independentforums.com/images/smilies/argh.gif" alt=":argh:" title="" />]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:26:08 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: Continuous School Calendars</title>
			<description><![CDATA[As a teacher, I can see both sides...<br />
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It is true that students will retain more information and stay in more of a &quot;learning rhythm&quot; because even though they might get more breaks, they will be spread out and keep them from losing focus on learning.  It's also easier on parents to spread out daycare expenses instead of getting hit with a big cost during the summer only.<br />
From a teacher viewpoint, I'm also OK with it.  My only concerns are teacher burn-out, and professional development.  Teachers who have been in the profession for decades really need the summer break to &quot;refuel&quot; and several other teachers look forward to summer so that they can take more classes themselves to get a masters degree, etc to enhance their own career and abilities to be more effective with students.  Several jobs already struggle to find teachers to fill them....will it be harder to find teachers at schools that go year 'round??<br />
Administrative paperwork will more than likely be more congested without the long summer break to review policies, complete all necessary state/nat'l paperwork, etc....but this might be able to get done during some of the other smaller breaks during the year as long as deadlines aren't an issue....might even lead to jobs being added for additional secretarial staff.<br />
Will participation in sports become affected?  Summer baseball will be difficult....will kids want to go out for certain sports in the spring/fall if they know they will have to take time out of their day to practice during one of their &quot;vacations&quot;??  <br />
Will custodial cleaning/school maintenance repairs be able to get done without a long summer break to get things taken care of when students/staff are out of the building??<br />
Will kids be &quot;burned out&quot; as they progress into junior high/high school because school has consumed so much of their time without a nice summer layoff??<br />
Lots of questions, but it's being implemented in other states so I think it's worth looking into.  Every change has it's pros/cons but I haven't heard anything that makes me take a solid stance on either side of this topic.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:46:17 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Continuous School Calendars</title>
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I see some of the elementary schools in the area are going to be switching to continuous school calendars or if I understand it correctly, year round school in the next couple of years.  Anybody have any thoughts?]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:52:04 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotetitle">DevoHusker wrote:</div><div class="quotecontent">Enigma, in response to your earlier post (didn't want to quote the whole thing), the Indy today reported that Hornaday has full city services: water, sewer and electrical. Also, Hughes, from GIFD, and Laub, from Rural Fire, reported that both respond to any incident at Hornaday, due to the uncertainty as to who has jurisdiction.</div><br />
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Well then they should be annexed for sure.  Since Hornday wouldn't be volunteering to be annexed they could only consider the annexation in certain years (it's an odd statute) but if you get water, sewer, power, and fire services you should be paying the taxes.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:31:25 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotetitle">enigma wrote:</div><div class="quotecontent"> Why didn't the City or the union put this issue into writing in the contract negotiations?  I am pissed as a taxpayer and I would be pissed as a union member.  Bad negotiating on both parts.<br />
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Babbling might be a more appropriate word.  Hornady sits in a County industrial park set up in the 1950's under a state law that allows them to grow near city limits without being annexed.  They would have to have a change in use from manufacturing in order to be annexed by the city, unless of course they volunteered.   I do not believe the receive any city service other than electrical, which makes the Utility fund money.  Although it does seem they received city fire services the other day.<br />
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According to the articles in the paper ALL of the unions said no to the two day furlough requested by the city.  The furlough would have cost employees about a third of what the COLA increases would have cost them.  The IBEW so generously volunteered to give up their COLA so long as the city agree to cover 100% of any increase in healthcare costs.  The IAFF did agree to forgo COLA to cover their own butts when they realized they could face lay offs.  You keep saying the city lack class and goodwill but the vast majority of the taxpayers in this town would say the same damn thing about the bargaining units.  You keep pointing to Kearney but look what their employees did for the taxpayers!  Maybe some self examination is in order for Unions.   Respect is a two way street.<br />
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And if the City is so hard to deal with and so mean spirited why do you guys keep cashing their checks?  I didn't stick around employers when I thought I was being taken advantage of.</div><br />
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I hit a sore sport with negotiations eh?<br />
1. CIR is filed when negotiations have failed.  CIR sets the standards and provides them to the employer (not the employee) to implement.  There is no negotation of the implementation of the ruling.  It is the city's failure (in the eyes of the unions) to do so that has lead to the recent law suits.<br />
2. As pointed out by Devo, Hornady has every benefit the city has to offer and then some when you consider the $300k plus in LB840 funds.  Volunteering to pay city taxes doesn't seem like much to ask for IMO.<br />
3. I wasn't referring to the furloughs was I?  I was referring to the COLA's.  Fact of the matter is that the unions offered to negotiate and the city refused.  It was not quite the one way refusals that Pederson’s public outcries would have you believe.  The furloughs were a farce.  They did not offer enough savings for the city not to go ahead with either the layoffs or the COLA requests.  <br />
4. Respect is a two way street.  But I only see one side of this fight publicly crying and taking low blows.  The union reps have only responded to questions about the situation when asked and have done so tastefully.  This contrasts greatly to Pederson who had the unions learn about the furlough request via press release before even approaching them about it.  This set the stage nicely for his follow up whining about the &quot;refusal&quot; to give up COLA's in multiple press releases.  Notice that not once did he mention the unions' willingness to negotiate the issue.  As for self examination on the unions part, I will leave that to the unions, but I submit to you this; The city knew what its monetary obligation was to its employees years in advance when they signed the agreements.  This didn't seem to stop them from frivolously spending money to the point where they were unable to meet those obligations.  So tell me, how is the city's fiscal irresponsibility the unions fault?  At any given time during the events leading up to this did they (the unions) change the parameters of their agreement or its financial impact on the city's budget?  No.<br />
5.  You keep referring to Kearney's practices.  In actuality, Kearney did not have existing labor agreements and so the employees had no say in the matter.  Even if they did, they would not face any legal ramifications for the remaining term of an existing contract.  These are things that can be accomplished when they are offered &quot;a little more&quot; than comparable cities.  That has never been the case here.  <br />
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As for the employees quitting because of their unhappiness with their treatment, I hope its not the case, but that may be what this leads to.  My entire argument has been about the city government's actions in detriment to the community's public safety, and brother, having our police and fire personnel quit doesn't help that matter.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:46:50 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[I would also like to add that its about time I start hearing some serious talk about bringing Hornady into city limits.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:43:44 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[I as well thought since Hornady is not in city limits, that only GIRFD has jurisdiction over that area.  Same thing with the full city services I thought they did not get those services since they are not in city limits.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:06:05 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[Enigma, in response to your earlier post (didn't want to quote the whole thing), the Indy today reported that Hornaday has full city services: water, sewer and electrical. Also, Hughes, from GIFD, and Laub, from Rural Fire, reported that both respond to any incident at Hornaday, due to the uncertainty as to who has jurisdiction.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:59:00 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Play A Supporting Role in The Grand Plan</title>
			<description><![CDATA[For the last year I've worked with the Grand Foundation in helping them to produce their campaign to restore The Grand Theatre. Not only are they an exceptionally committed group of volunteers, but they're also passionate and devoted to maintaining one of the last few traditions associated with downtown. Last Saturday evening, the campaign was unveiled as Foundation members kicked off <span style="font-style: italic">The Grand Plan.</span><br />
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Please visit <a href="http://www.supportthegrandplan.com/" class="postlink">http://www.supportthegrandplan.com/</a> where you can follow campaign news and updates, read about each scene of the restoration, and even make a donation directly online.<br />
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:34:15 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotetitle">general wrote:</div><div class="quotecontent"> As for 30 to 40 applicants, it's pretty easy to do when there has not been any lay-offs in the last decade and the civilian job market is falling faster than a fat man with an untied shoe.  It will be interesting to see what those numbers look like after this last media blitz with everything our police officers are dealing with and our neighboring communities are not and the now apparent lack of job security compared to those same agencies.  Dang it.  I almost made it without arguing more union points.  It's a process I guess.  I'll work on it. </div><br />
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You should work on that, you should also request the minutes of the civil service commission.  During the last go around on this board in 2007 an anonymous poster sent me the minutes of a dozen or so meetings.  From 2004 to 2007 anywhere from 15-28 applicants passed the police exam (70%).  I don't know what the success rate is but having almost 30 applicants pass in a damn good job market seems to refute your argument that the only reason they are getting applicants know is the poor job market.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:26:33 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotetitle">general wrote:</div><div class="quotecontent">The city sure can be a bunch of sore losers.  This is how they wasted ten's of thousands of dollars fighting the IAFF after CIR's decision a few years ago.  </div><br />
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Why didn't the City or the union put this issue into writing in the contract negotiations?  I am pissed as a taxpayer and I would be pissed as a union member.  Bad negotiating on both parts.<br />
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<div class="quotetitle"><b>Quote:</b></div><div class="quotecontent">I do like the public bubblings about pulling Hornady into city limits.  Don't get me wrong.  I understand the LB840 funds, and I know that Hornady receiving these funds does not affect our economic woes elsewhere in the city budget, and I feel that Hornady is a quality employer and that the funds are being well spent there.  I do, however, bemoan the fact that the city has already given them city water, sewage, and utilities without requiring them to come in to the city's tax base, and it appears that the LB840 funds were the last &quot;card&quot; the city held to hold anything over them to contribute.  It appears they are using the city's resources to their advantage enough to justify the $5 to $7k it would cost them.  </div><br />
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Babbling might be a more appropriate word.  Hornady sits in a County industrial park set up in the 1950's under a state law that allows them to grow near city limits without being annexed.  They would have to have a change in use from manufacturing in order to be annexed by the city, unless of course they volunteered.   I do not believe the receive any city service other than electrical, which makes the Utility fund money.  Although it does seem they received city fire services the other day.<br />
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<div class="quotetitle"><b>Quote:</b></div><div class="quotecontent">As for the city employee's COLA costs, my understanding of the situation was that several of the unions volunteered to discuss it, and city hall refused or has postponed opening the contracts for negotiation (except of course for the fire department whose contract was already being negotiated).  Since allowing changes outside of an existing contract carries with it some potentially nasty legal ramifications down the road for the employees, I can see why they would be tentative to make an agreement to this point.  Maybe, just once, the city should show some class and good will and openly negotiate without strong arming to the minimum legal standards or even implement a contract as it is intended rather than apparantly trying to punish bargaining units for taking them to court and they would receive some more cooperation in return.  This is exactly the difference that enigma's &quot;slightly more&quot; could make in employee relations, retention, and quality.   It sounds like the city has shot themselves in the foot and now is crying about the limp.  Where did I put my fiddle...?</div><br />
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According to the articles in the paper ALL of the unions said no to the two day furlough requested by the city.  The furlough would have cost employees about a third of what the COLA increases would have cost them.  The IBEW so generously volunteered to give up their COLA so long as the city agree to cover 100% of any increase in healthcare costs.  The IAFF did agree to forgo COLA to cover their own butts when they realized they could face lay offs.  You keep saying the city lack class and goodwill but the vast majority of the taxpayers in this town would say the same damn thing about the bargaining units.  You keep pointing to Kearney but look what their employees did for the taxpayers!  Maybe some self examination is in order for Unions.   Respect is a two way street.<br />
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And if the City is so hard to deal with and so mean spirited why do you guys keep cashing their checks?  I didn't stick around employers when I thought I was being taken advantage of.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:11:05 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Re: A village somewhere is missing some idiots!</title>
			<description><![CDATA[The city sure can be a bunch of sore losers.  This is how they wasted ten's of thousands of dollars fighting the IAFF after CIR's decision a few years ago.  Enigma, that's too bad about Kearney.  I couldn't find an article, but I figured Kearney's tax base to be a little more steadfast than that.  Bubba, I hear your troubles.  I wished I could offer a solution, let alone a solution that the thick skulls in town hall would listen to, but to this point, I have none.  I did see that the Independent noted our crime rate as 2nd highest in the state (per capita).  Thank god for Scottsbluff, or we'd be Nebraska's Mississippi.  (You know the old adage, if it weren't for Mississippi, Arkansas would be the worst state in the US).  <br />
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I do like the public bubblings about pulling Hornady into city limits.  Don't get me wrong.  I understand the LB840 funds, and I know that Hornady receiving these funds does not affect our economic woes elsewhere in the city budget, and I feel that Hornady is a quality employer and that the funds are being well spent there.  I do, however, bemoan the fact that the city has already given them city water, sewage, and utilities without requiring them to come in to the city's tax base, and it appears that the LB840 funds were the last &quot;card&quot; the city held to hold anything over them to contribute.  It appears they are using the city's resources to their advantage enough to justify the $5 to $7k it would cost them.  <br />
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As for the city employee's COLA costs, my understanding of the situation was that several of the unions volunteered to discuss it, and city hall refused or has postponed opening the contracts for negotiation (except of course for the fire department whose contract was already being negotiated).  Since allowing changes outside of an existing contract carries with it some potentially nasty legal ramifications down the road for the employees, I can see why they would be tentative to make an agreement to this point.  Maybe, just once, the city should show some class and good will and openly negotiate without strong arming to the minimum legal standards or even implement a contract as it is intended rather than apparantly trying to punish bargaining units for taking them to court and they would receive some more cooperation in return.  This is exactly the difference that enigma's &quot;slightly more&quot; could make in employee relations, retention, and quality.   It sounds like the city has shot themselves in the foot and now is crying about the limp.  Where did I put my fiddle...?]]></description>
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			<dc:creator>enigma</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:41:06 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotetitle">general wrote:</div><div class="quotecontent">BTW, I don't get the Kearney Paper any more, but I've noticed that they haven't proposed a single lay off, furlough, program cut, or other similar action during this economic down-turn.  How do they do it, what with only the advisement of 1 part time city attorney who makes less than our recently hired assistant attorney?  Maybe someone from city hall should give them a call and ask</div><br />
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According to the news this weekend Kearney is &quot;laying-off&quot; 7-8 employees through attrition.  I think three were at PD.  Their employees also volunteered to give up one year's COLA's.  If GI's employees would do that it would have saved $650,000.00.  They also had some program cuts and really cut into capital costs.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:26:35 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Won’t necessarily argue with your comments general, I don’t disagree for the most part.<br />
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Here is where I am coming from:  I purchased my residence in 1977 and have live in it since that time.  I was able to retire a mortgage on it.  As of my last notice of increased inflated valuation, my real estate tax burden on said property is nearly equal to the last mortgage payment I made that included principal, interest and taxes.  Am I receiving more services for paying more tax…can’t see where I am.<br />
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Would I like to make improvements and expand the property, yes I would.  We could use the extra room because of the increase in numbers of our family and I would like to improve the overall appearance.  I would also like to add an additional space for future decisions…my wife’s mother and mine are currently living independently but there may well come a time when that is not possible.  We would like to have the space to move them into our home when the time comes, IF it does.<br />
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We also have a special needs grandson who will likely never be able to live independently and we would like to make preparation for that eventuality.  We could sell our home and purchase one that meets our needs but the tax burden is going to follow.  <br />
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Then there is the code violation because we are in a single family residential zone…could it be interpreted that providing for any of these situations could compromise the code?   <br />
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The problem is my wife and I are at the age where we can see a decrease in income on the horizon and because of continual increases in tax burden may have to sell our longtime home because we won’t be able to pay the taxes let alone maintain it on our reduced income.  We certainly cannot risk taking on a new mortgage or make improvements or expansions that would give Janet the excuse to further inflate the valuation on our current home.<br />
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She doesn’t care what the circumstances are.  The County review board is not going to have any compassion for circumstances.  It is all well and good to say government FORCE is necessary for curb appeal but there can be unintentional consequences to those who are just trying to do the best they can…or maybe the consequences are intentional to weed out and dispose of those who can’t keep up.]]></description>
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			<dc:creator>general</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:01:14 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I'm not sure I agree with an argument that increased property tax decreases incentive to maintain your property when it is followed by arguing to cut the portion of the city government whose purpose is to motivate and enforce the appropriate upkeep of property.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not totally opposed to the code enforcement program being effected in times of economic stress, but what I do see is the curb appeal of Grand Island tends to be much less than that of neighboring communities (Our city just looks more run down and &quot;dirtier&quot; in general).  Those other communities have had code enforcement in place in an enforceable manner for much longer than Grand Island, but as our government has increased the program, I have seen what I think are improvements in the appearance and quality of our community as a whole.  <br />
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On the flip side of the coin, we lowered property taxes.  We should have as we were, at the time, top in the state in leveling property taxes.  HOWEVER, we raised other taxes in order to even out revenues to cover our spending.   I do appreciate the fact that property taxes cannot be managed as can spending habits and the amount of wage loss to taxes via sales and service taxes, but that does not change the fact that the intended purpose of the change in tax structure was that in reality, most of the citizens in Grand Island would not be positively affected to any great degree by the changes.  It just hits our wallets in different places.  It does however increase revenues from out-of-towners who frequent our town, but that number appears to have decreased as our store shelf prices are adversely effected.   The end result was some loss of out-of-town business, and the observed decrees in spending habits from within Grand Island, and the resultant inability to sustain our current spending habits based on the new structure.  <br />
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Am I advocating Janet to do her magic valuation increase as she has always done in the past?  Definitely not.  It's dishonest and inappropriate use of government power.  Nor do I want to see an increase in property tax.  Some of the money needed needs to come from trimming the fat.  A large portion of it should come from undoing and ridding ourselves of some of the economic miscarriages that are stressing our tax dollars.  But employee lay-offs, and decreasing public safety and quality of life issues should be our last ditch effort, not our first approach.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:24:50 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Don’t have the time to study the “broken windows” THEORY so this may be out of line but in his THEORY does J.Q. Wilson address the impact of real estate property taxes on property owners ability to maintain their properties?  <br />
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My question is: where is the incentive to make the investment in taking care of property, to attempt to maintain or increase the value, when it gives Janet the excuse to raise valuation on it thereby increasing taxation?  An increase in taxation means less money to spend on property improvement so isn’t taxation a part of the equation as to why “broken windows” happen?<br />
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I do believe the Code Enforcement Officer should be cut.  But I also believe 90% of the Code should be cut.  The Council spends wayyy to much time on passing stuuupid Code that then becomes another job for Enforcement…got to make sure we have our citizens under our thumb and FORCE them to be subservient. Many times it is Code itself that fuels neighbor disputes which then become a Law Enforcement problem.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:59:59 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotetitle">general wrote:</div><div class="quotecontent">Honestly, I don't know if most of the public really cares, but I'm tired of the city raising taxes and bond issues to bolster our public safety and then making their first cuts in the public safety area (anyone remember the promise of additional officers with the half cent sales tax or the promises for a law enforcement training and firearms range when they bonded the purchase of the shooting park?).</div><br />
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Now that you mention it yes I do remember them promising more officers and the training and the range.  Guess that was just more crap falling from Vavricek's and Greer's mouthes.  Like Enigma said in his first post on this thread, All about fancy resumes and a bid for a higher office.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:58:44 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Ahhhh, so many points I would like to argue here, but as promised, its not the focus of this thread.  I would like you to remind me again what &quot;tactics&quot; unions use that do not have the ability to strike, set their own arrays, and pay for law suits out of their own pockets.  Gosh, if they were offered &quot;slightly more&quot; or even as much as the neighbors each time, I don't think there would be any argument at all, but that is not the climate our city's government.  As for 30 to 40 applicants, it's pretty easy to do when there has not been any lay-offs in the last decade and the civilian job market is falling faster than a fat man with an untied shoe.  It will be interesting to see what those numbers look like after this last media blitz with everything our police officers are dealing with and our neighboring communities are not and the now apparent lack of job security compared to those same agencies.  Dang it.  I almost made it without arguing more union points.  It's a process I guess.  I'll work on it.  <br />
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I do like your applied focus, although that was not the subject of the thread or the original post, it is what we're down to.  Honestly, I don't know if most of the public really cares, but I'm tired of the city raising taxes and bond issues to bolster our public safety and then making their first cuts in the public safety area (anyone remember the promise of additional officers with the half cent sales tax or the promises for a law enforcement training and firearms range when they bonded the purchase of the shooting park?).]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:59:41 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotetitle">general wrote:</div><div class="quotecontent">Oh, although I think community needs very greatly in this area, you may be correct in the volunteer FD being a community savings to Kearney, but as for the FOP, I'm not buying it.</div><br />
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Yeah, the FOP 24 doesn't seem to be huge supporters of the IAFF.  I had heard that SK from the IAFF had asked the FOP members for support in their latest negotiations and the FOP had declined to carry the torch for them.  A full time, paid fire department with paramedics is a rarity in Nebraska.  Kearney has a good system with the full time skeleton crew for immediate response and dozens of volunteers to respond to larger fires.  But, they also have a good hospital to run paramedic service, which we don't.  I think Fire has fat to trim from top to bottom.  Too many chiefs and too many indians. <br />
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As far as the FOP comment, I was mostly just being ornery.  <br />
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<div class="quotetitle"><b>Quote:</b></div><div class="quotecontent"> Kearney pays it police department more in wages and compensation than Grand Island.  I believe Kearney PD officers are FOP members; they just don't use the unit for bargaining purposes because it hasn't been necessary there.  It seems that we have a neighboring community that knows what fair treatment and open negotiations can do for attracting and retaining employees. </div><br />
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Don't delude yourself.  Kearney pays their police department just slightly more than GI in order to skip the FOP negotiating tactics.  While the Kearney FOP lodge does not formally use the FOP to negotiate they do benefit from Grand Island's negotiations.  The GI FOP members are paying not only to set their own salaries but they also pay to set Kearney's.  The only saving the City of Kearney would see by not having the FOP would be the cost of negotiations which according to FOP and IAFF members on this board is somehere around $120,000 every few years and that is being given to the PD as wages.<br />
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<div class="quotetitle"><b>Quote:</b></div><div class="quotecontent">Given the state's climate toward CIR and labor disputes, I'm surmising that if the city of Grand Island didn't have such a historical reputation for poor labor negotiation practices, neither the fire department nor the police department would utilize unions save for their civil litigation protection which is their primary service. </div><br />
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If that was true secretary jobs at City Hall wouldn't be getting 50 applicants, they wouldn't be getting 30-40 applicants at public works and at Utilities, and we wouldn't be getting 30-40 taking police and fire civil service exams.  The FOP and the IAFF have a flair for the dramatic and like to tell how mean spirited the City is but the job application numbers are telling a different story.<br />
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<div class="quotetitle"><b>Quote:</b></div><div class="quotecontent">The focus here should be on the poor management and decision making on the part of our city leaders and it's projected impact on us going forward.  Now we will see if the public's input to their respective representation will allow the chips to fall where they more rightfully belong.</div><br />
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			<dc:creator>general</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:38:03 -0500</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Oh, although I think community needs very greatly in this area, you may be correct in the volunteer FD being a community savings to Kearney, but as for the FOP, I'm not buying it.  Kearney pays it police department more in wages and compensation than Grand Island.  I believe Kearney PD officers are FOP members; they just don't use the unit for bargaining purposes because it hasn't been necessary there.  It seems that we have a neighboring community that knows what fair treatment and open negotiations can do for attracting and retaining employees.  Given the state's climate toward CIR and labor disputes, I'm surmising that if the city of Grand Island didn't have such a historical reputation for poor labor negotiation practices, neither the fire department nor the police department would utilize unions save for their civil litigation protection which is their primary service.  But the world needs a scapegoat and the city (and the independent) has found theirs.  <br />
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I digress.  Let's not turn this into a pro versus con union discussion.  You and I have done that a dozen times in past and the forum followers can all go back and look at it if they feel the need for short term entertainment.  The focus here should be on the poor management and decision making on the part of our city leaders and it's projected impact on us going forward.  Now we will see if the public's input to their respective representation will allow the chips to fall where they more rightfully belong.]]></description>
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